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Dear Spengler ,
I have some questions. First, do you really think that the mass of people comprising any given country's population actually worry, on a day-to-day basis, about the underlying philosphy guiding their actions? Thinking of the Europeans for whom you predict extinction, do you really think population growth has declined in Europe because Europeans have collectively made a conscious decision to eradicate themselves? Would it not be simpler to assume that they are wealthy enough to afford contraception, and "educated" enough to know that a large family is no guarantee of future security, at least in their own, immediate lives? In other words, aren't the Europeans simply making an "animal" decision to be more comfortable, rather than agonizing over clashes of civilizations and their philosophies?

Second, living in Sweden, one can't help feeling that Europeans have turned their secular humanism into an ersatz religion, complete with the unprovable dogma, proselytizing priests and intolerance of other faiths - in particular their own, former Christian faith - that secularists are quick to ridicule in bona fide religions. I am wondering what opinion you have of the secularism that Europe embraces.

As an engineer, without a humanities education with which to evaluate these questions, I hope you have time to comment.

Thanks,
MC

Dear MC,
Clearly it takes someone without a humanities education to go straight to the heart of the matter and ask the right question. No one but academics and a few sad, strange misfits care about ideology as such; most people simply live their lives. For most people, one's life is not one's own, however; it is of one substance with the lives of ancestors and descendants. It is worth living because it participates in eternity, through the promise that something of us will be remembered, just as we remember those who preceded us. This kind of memory requires a common language and a common set of references across generations, and this we call culture. These considerations apply to every pagan tribe that ever lived. But Europe was created out of the melting-pot of barbarian invasions from the 1st century AD, through to the Normans, in which small tribes, like Beowulf's Geats, died out with terrible regularity. Christianity offered the tribes a life beyond the extinction of their nationality. European culture is an uneasy compromise between the pagan associations of culture across generations and the Christian promise of universal redemption. As Franz Rosenzweig showed so brilliantly in the third section of his Star of Redemption, it is the day-to-day experience of the individual member of the congregation, the daily liturgy and the liturgical calendar, that make up his religion, not the apologetics of the theologians. The same is true for Islam, I have ventured.

Christian universalism failed, and the pagan aspect of Europe predominated, in the 19th and 20th centuries, and two world wars were the result. In
Why Europe chooses extinction (April 8, 2003), I have tried to come to terms with Europeans' lack of interest in reproducing themselves - an effort that must be tentative and conjectural, as we have no documented examples of that sort of thing outside of a few Neolithic cultures that have had the misfortune to encounter the modern world.

Europeans failed at being Christians and failed at being pagans. Modern prosperity gives them the means to amuse themselves while waiting for their race to perish, but I see contraception and so forth as a means rather than a cause.

In European secularism I perceive nothing but emptiness, the "hollow men" of Eliot~{!/~}s poem. Fellini's La Dolce Vita portrays for me the ennui and enervation of the European spirit.
Spengler


Dear Spengler,
I always find it strange that you comment so much on Western demise on Asia Times Online. Anyway, I'm going to call you out on something.

"America remains, despite its faults, the only nation on Earth capable of true generosity, and its spirit is Protestant."

Were America capable of true generosity, then certainly other nations are as well. Were all nations capable of true generosity, then certainly America is not capable of such. I don't buy the idea that America is in some ways extra-national and somehow so special it makes it irreplicable.

Beyond that, the battle between American Christianity and Middle Eastern Islam and European secularism isn't so easily categorized. There are always many sides to the journey. Victory is not neccessarily victory and defeat is not neccessarily defeat. The battle might very well leave both houses in ruin.

As far as modern art or modern science holding life as of no value, I hardly think this is the case at all. Much, if not most, of modern art and science is not nihilistic. As far as genetic engineering and human transcendence go, these could be seen as highly unnihilistic and humanity-advancing pursuits. Despite the great bulk of Western/Judeo-Christian-Islamic civilization viewing these things otherwise, there are a great many people in the world who would beg to differ.

If the Christian world and the Islamic world were to burn each other out in some great bonfire of self-destruction, perhaps only the Jews will be left to remember them.
Milton He

Dear Milton,
America is a new people called out from among the nations, and as such has at least a residual sympathy for every nation and ethnicity. It is not a nation in the sense of the word that derives from the Latin term for birth; other nations are defined by birth. America is defined by a political objective and a personal choice, namely immigration. It is a fundamentally different kind of nation, made possible by the Christian concept of a "New Israel" called out from among the nations. I suggest you read John Winthrop's 1630 sermon A Model of Christian Charity, widely available on the Internet. Sadly, you are correct to observe that Western civilization and radical Islam might destroy each other; if the Jews were the only ones left to remember them, it would be a miserable little band of Jews indeed. I write these essays in the hope that this outcome might be avoided.
Spengler


Dear Spengler,
I read with interest your article [
The sacred heart of darkness, February 11, 2003] but there are some mistakes or cover-ups that I must correct.

"The future Cardinal Mazarin not only succeeded Richelieu as prime minister, but almost certainly (according to new evidence published by Anthony Levi) was the father of Louis XIV." Among historians this is a legend and Levi's book isn't considered as a serious book.

"Habsburg Austria, the embodiment of the medieval Catholic empire, became the target of the French messianists, because it was precisely this model that the French desired to supplant." Definitely not in the 19th and 20th centuries! The hatred for the Habsburgs' Catholic empire came from a widespread leftist and nationalist ideology born with the French Revolution and culminating around 1900.

"America is an obsession. The fact that America twice saved France during the 20th century merely reinforces the French sentiment of ultimate irrelevance. Centuries of accumulated bile ooze and gurgle in mortification." This assertion is as stupid as to say that America hates France because France helped creating America ... During World War I, America saved nothing; it lighly intervened in 1917. During World War II, yes, America saved France. But the dislike of America by French people doesn't date back to that time. It's just that America clearly is the third imperium that must be defeated.
Frederic Greiling

Dear Mr Greiling,
Whether Louis XIV really was Mazarin's bastard is of little importance to the story. The United States became the world's only superpower because Europe destroyed itself. Richelieu, Tremblay and Mazarin set in motion the destruction of Europe during the Thirty Years' War (1618-48), in which Catholic France supported Protestant princes against Catholic Austria. They did so out of religious messianism, believing that France, in the immortal words of Jake Blues, was on a mission from God. That finished off Christian Universal Empire as a practical concept, in favor of the perpetually warring nation-states of Europe, which eventually bled each other dry. The French have no one to blame but themselves and their silly national mystique for the fact that America is in charge. That said, Richelieu and his colleagues were extraordinary men, worth studying as role models for modern diplomacy and intelligence. If you prefer other historians to Anthony Levi, please share your thoughts with ATol readers.
Spengler


Dear Spengler,
The world; this physical creation is so beautiful. I thank God for it every day. But why are we so crazy? Given this breath, this gift of life, how can we turn and kill each other? I am amused by evangelical Christians who track down and kill their enemies when Christ told us to turn the other cheek and love our enemies. He said that even evil people love their families and friends. There's no benefit in that, He said. But to love one's enemies, that is divine! I do not believe that Jesus would drive an SUV, nor do I believe He would countenance a preemptive strike, no matter how evil the enemy.
Mike
North Carolina, USA

Dear Mike,
Yours is a characteristically American view. You take as a norm the tiny proportion of the world's population that left the Old World behind and moved to your shores, and then ask why other people seem crazy. In fact, American evangelicals' interest in the rest of the world, prior to September 2001, was extremely limited. To the extent evangelicals cared at all, they funded or performed missionary work, including quite creditable efforts to bring basic services to the extremely poor in Latin America and Africa. As I argued in
Why Islam baffles America (April 16, 2004), America's Protean nature, its embodiment of creative destruction, threatens the existence of other religions. Put yourself in the other man's slippers if you want to understand why everyone does not think the way you do.
Spengler


Dear Spengler,
I work in an area with large enclaves of Lebanese, Yemeni, and Iraqi immigrants. I have been told, in every conversation in which the subject was mentioned, that it is not uncommon among Lebanese, and actually preferred custom among Yemenis and Iraqis, to arrange marriages between first cousins.

In the royal families of Europe, who for centuries have been intermarrying cousins, we have seen deformities, insanity, and hemophilia. We have also seen the "thinning" of the blood of people like the Amish, who recently began allowing their members to marry Mennonites for lack of new blood strains.

If we extrapolate this practice to entire cultures, which, for centuries, have been intermarrying cousins, would it be unreasonable to wonder if something has happened to the physiology of the average person in that region? Might not the volatility in the Middle East - the suicide bombings, the reactionary and oppressive doctrines, the temper-flaring, and the proclivity to take to the streets and chant hyperbolic slogans, have some root in cousins marrying each other and having children over and over again for generations? I only seek to ask a question here, and I have no preconceived answer to it, lest some small-minded person decide to reflexively condemn the question as fascist cryptophrenology.
Janissary

Dear Janissary,
That is a possibility that never occurred to me. I suppose it is possible. In-laws are the single most annoying thing in the world. Consanguinity implies that everyone is everyone else's in-law, so the collective level of annoyance might reach levels undreamed of in other societies.
Spengler

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