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HAND Recollections, revelations
of a protest leader By Shawn W Crispin
enough support and was
looking forward more than normal, and the 1997
constitution allowed him to because it was drafted
with the purpose of giving the PM a strong hand.
He cut off this bridge between the elite and
himself. That's why people were pissed off.
So then after paving the
way for the coup, your relations with the CNS are
now already strained?
I wouldn't say
strained. I would say they don't trust me. They are
looking at Thaksin, who was
an exceptional phenomenon, and they thought that
by kicking Thaksin out, life would go on as usual.
That's the reason why they are calling in former
Thaksin politicians to come see them. They are
saying, you may go set up a political party, he
can set up a political party, they can combine
their parties, run the country, but you have to
remind yourself all the time who is the boss.
That's the way it's always been and that's the
situation now.
So you're saying that
former politicians in Thaksin's camp are such
political opportunists that they're probably
willing to play by the CNS's rules?
As long as you have a
place for professional politicians who get into
politics to become a minister and skim off
commissions on government projects, they will be
happy to work with you. Even if the Democrats
become the main government, the Democrats would
never take away this bridge because they know the
game. The risk lies in what direction I take.
That's the reason they are looking at me with a
dubious eye.
So what are the chances
that you turn against the CNS and organize new
street protests?
No, it's difficult. The
reason I was able to mobilize such a large number
of people was because of Thaksin. There is no
longer a Thaksin. The more sensible way of doing
it would be to educate the middle classes more and
more.
But where the [coup makers] have
misjudged the situation is this: they don't
understand that the middle class in the past and
the middle class today that rallied against
Thaksin are completely different. They are
smarter, they understand the issues, they know.
Now the people that are starting to
criticize Surayud are the middle classes here.
They are complaining about Surayud, they are
saying they have been betrayed by the CNS, that
they have been betrayed by Surayud, that all their
efforts [through last year's street protests] have
gone down the drain. That will be an important
factor.
Where is Thailand heading
politically?
If you look at what's
going on over the last couple of weeks, [the CNS]
cannot find the proper solution for [General]
Sonthi to continue his reign.
Do you think he has
long-term political ambitions?
He wants to
protect his ass, that's for sure.
With this more conscious
middle class, do you think there is potential for
new mass street protests?
No, because they need a
leader, and I happen to be the de facto leader.
You obviously have a
reform vision; why aren't you interested in
entering politics?
Because I still have my vices. I don't want to be
scrutinized on my private affairs. As long as I
don't hold political office, what I do doesn't
matter. Seriously, I would not be good in
political office because you cannot speak your
mind in political office, no way. I am better off
being a third force, counterbalancing some
[politicians], balancing [political] factions, and
creating a situation where either side does not
take things to an extreme.
Did you know the coup was
coming?
I swear to
God I didn't. Not at all. I was planning a major
rally because I saw Thaksin had left the country
for so long. Thaksin changed his plan to come back
earlier, so I decided to change the rally by
informing all the PAD [People's Alliance for
Democracy] members to move ahead a couple of days.
So we agreed to do it on [September 20].
On the night of the 19th, I was staying at
my home, washing myself, doing meditation, praying
to the Lord Buddha, and I was just about ready to
let go of everything to be ready for tomorrow, my
last battle. Then all of a sudden at 8:30 or 9 the
coup happened. Interestingly enough, the news of
the coup was widely known at around noon, but I
didn't know anything about it. I learned about it
through the news.
Did Thaksin ever try to
reach out to you from behind the scenes to try to
do some kind of a deal?
Yeah, he was trying to
offer me some money. A cabinet minister was
talking in the vicinity of 500 million to 1
billion baht.
What did you say?
[Sighs] Maybe I
should have taken it. [Laughs hilariously] It was
beyond that point already. There are certain spots
in your life that once you go beyond that it
doesn't matter how much money. It makes no
difference anyway. Thaksin was so used to buying
people off, he underestimated me.
Notes 1. Sondhi
Limthongkul is the founder of the Manager Group,
which through its holdings owns Asia Times
Online.
2. Pre-cadet Class 10 refers to
soldiers who studied with Thaksin at the elite
military academy and represent his support base in
the armed forces.
Shawn W
Crispin is Asia Times Online's Southeast Asia
editor.
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